Re: WDC OR IDSF- NO CONTEST
lunedì 12 maggio 2008 8.32
@quicktime2. It is strange you mention politics in general as that thought was paramount in my mind. No one political party provides every policy which one can support. So the wise read and try to establish what is going on and then decide to support te one that most provides the type of world they would like to see.
I have heard so many Americans complaining about Bush and then when challenged admit they did not themselvs go out and vote. The consequence of doing nothing.
Anyone ever wonder how much different the world might be if it was AL Gore who became President in 2000?
Similarly although it seems to offend some I cannot ignore history. The world is shaped by past actions. It is no different for the dance world. The actions of some 1.2 even 10 years and more ago have created the danceworld which we have today.
@Sambatogo. Ssssshhhhhhhh!! Mr Bains words are "history" and some believe should now be forgotten.
The following is a repeat of the post I made in the : WDC Am League World Championship topic but really belong here.
@Keggs.
You asked why the WDC could not call off their event as a gesture of goodwill.
I know and you should know that it would not be accepted as such. It would be "spun" into retreat, it would defined as a defeat for the WDC a lack of support amongst competitors and adjudicators. It would be claimed that WDC had failed all those who signed the danceinternationaaL declaration and registered for the Amateur League. It would be claimed WDC were turning their back on those Amateurs who had been ex-communicated by IDSF.
A real gesture of goodwill would be for the IDSF to agree to dancers competing in an Open Market atmosphere and for an Amnesty for those who had "upset" the IDSF previously.
Many people are only too well aware of the competitions long establioshed and new which the IDSF destroyed or attempted to destroy.
Can I add here I most certainly do not want you to make any derogatory statement at all. You are able to make your own decisions, express them. stand by them. I
@Think of Me.
I think if there is confusion it is with you. Instead of finding the conversation "entertaining" it would be better to seek your own answers. Iif you have not already decided where your loyalties will go then sooner or later you will. Think about it.
@aspirin.
If by dancers you mean amateur competitors then is it not a bad reflection on IDSF and the policies that they have created a fragmented will? Have they done this deliberately so the dancers feel they cannot achieve their own wishes?
@ Elaine-
From some of my earlier words you will know I share your sentiments. I am not sure that a world wide movement is necessary. In each country the dancers meet at comps etc and they can surely reach a majority agreement and take this up with their Organisation leaders and if that fails take action. The Danish Latin Couples did this and it went on to assist the standard dancers also.
For NOT competing dancers have been threatened before. Some times it has been individual couples threatened by important figures. Sometimes it has been national associations requiring there couples to compete at a certain event. As with the World Games it has been National Members threatened if they did not send a representative - if they had possible semi finalists.
@sunshine2.
I do not know if you meant it but I found your words rather mocking and scornful of Elaine's view.
However you are presupposing that the wheelchair and others wished to remain part of IDSF when the huge part of their membership had been suspended/banned or .defected. They might feel rather isolated and out in the cold. You also overlook the huge loss of income for the IDSF. No more cash coming in for all those IDSF Opens, Grand Slams and dozens of "Championships"
Adjudicators might return licences when there are so very few competitions to adjudicate.
Sometimes one wonders do the iDSF only involve the wheelchair and other dancers because it increases their power. Certainly they are given few opportunities to display their wonderful art..
General Comment I am sure that the IDSF pray every night that the thinking of some members of the forum will continue.
It suits then for Dancers to think and proclaim they are powerless and therefore it is useless to take any action.
It suits them for Dancers to believe they are Prisoners of War.
It suits them for Dancers to believe that the IDSF have great ideas and are doing something.
It suits them that Dancers simply take the bait and believe something is happening because IDSF talk a good talk. without any following action.
With apologies to all I am going to also place this in the WDC vs IDSF thread which is where it belongs in general. I also want to add a few further thoughts.
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@Keggs.
You asked why the WDC could not call off their event as a gesture of goodwill.
I know and you should know that it would not be accepted as such. It would be "spun" into retreat, it would defined as a defeat for the WDC a lack of support amongst competitors and adjudicators. It would be claimed that WDC had failed all those who signed the danceinternationaaL declaration and registered for the Amateur League. It would be claimed WDC were turning their back on those Amateurs who had been ex-communicated by IDSF.
A real gesture of goodwill would be for the IDSF to agree to dancers competing in an Open Market atmosphere and for an Amnesty for those who had "upset" the IDSF previously.
Many people are only too well aware of the competitions long establioshed and new which the IDSF destroyed or attempted to destroy.
Can I add here I most certainly do not want you to make any derogatory statement at all. You are able to make your own decisions, express them. stand by them. I
@Think of Me.
I think if there is confusion it is with you. Instead of finding the conversation "entertaining" it would be better to seek your own answers. Iif you have not already decided where your loyalties will go then sooner or later you will. Think about it.
@aspirin.
If by dancers you mean amateur competitors then is it not a bad reflection on IDSF and the policies that they have created a fragmented will? Have they done this deliberately so the dancers feel they cannot achieve their own wishes?
@ Elaine-
From some of my earlier words you will know I share your sentiments. I am not sure that a world wide movement is necessary. In each country the dancers meet at comps etc and they can surely reach a majority agreement and take this up with their Organisation leaders and if that fails take action. The Danish Latin Couples did this and it went on to assist the standard dancers also.
For NOT competing dancers have been threatened before. Some times it has been individual couples threatened by important figures. Sometimes it has been national associations requiring there couples to compete at a certain event. As with the World Games it has been National Members threatened if they did not send a representative - if they had possible semi finalists.
@sunshine2.
I do not know if you meant it but I found your words rather mocking and scornful of Elaine's view.
However you are presupposing that the wheelchair and others wished to remain part of IDSF when the huge part of their membership had defected. They might feel rather isolated and out in the cold. You also overlook the huge loss of income for the IDSF. No more cash coming in for all those IDSF Opens, Grand Slams and dozens of "Championships"
Adjudicators might return licences when there are so very few competitions to adjudicate.
General Comment I am sure that the IDSF pray every night that the thinking of some members of the forum will continue.
It suits then for Dancers to think and proclaim they are powerless and therefore it is useless to take any action.
It suits them for Dancers to believe they are Prisoners of War.
It suits them for Dancers to believe that the IDSF have great ideas and are doing something.
It suits them that Dancers simply take the bait and believe something is happening because IDSF talk a good talk. without any following action.
With apologies to all I am going to also place this in the WDC vs IDSF thread which is where it belongs in general. I also want to add a few further thoughts.
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