Re: No 1 WDC Amateur League OPEN World Amateur Championships CORRECT POST VERSION
venerdì 9 maggio 2008 7.59
@Keggs; It comes as no surprise that yet again for you I am the one who is wrong. Do you know that when you point the finger there are 3 pointing back?
I am at a loss how I you reach your conclusion I am doing the same as the IDSF !
I am not going to go through a list (I will if you wish) but I can give you many things deserving of condemnation done by the IDSF that I have not and never would.
Gradually you have modified your words so that in your last post you apparently wish to be seen as totally neutral. However in your heart you know that is not true and just as is the case with the IDSF for you some matters are "non negotiable" plus constantly repeat mistrust for your "fellow" professionals demonstrating you have already taken your position
Fair enough but just face up to it.
You asked me
"If I was a member of the IDSF presidium what would you as a member of the WDC presidium expect me to do?"
Well if you were serious in your words then I would expect you to operate the same Open Market Policy as the WDC operate with regard to IDSF and IPDSC events.
You seem to support or bans boycotts etc which will never improve matters but will make them worse even if you deny this.
Without proof or justification you have stated that Mr. Burns is "the problem". This is the line put out by the IDSF to attempt to damage the credibility of Mr. Burns. Have you noticed how the Open Letter of Mr Bauman was received by the colleagues of Mr Burns? If it had any effect it was to strengthen the position of Mr Burns and the resolve of his fellow members
They realise if they bowed to the demands of the IDSF then in a very short period of time they would have a new victim as their target. Targets personally selected by one man holding grudges.
I am not sure what your "irrelevant" comment is meant to mean but I sincerely trust that you were indicating you strongly condemned IDSF for using Mr Burns as their pathetic excuse in refusing to talk and not to seek a harmonious dance future ,
Please let me show below 4 portions from the report at the 2007 IDSF AGM by Mr Bains the then Policy Director and 1st Vice President . These most certainly are not out of context- after reading please do you still blindly believe that if "we" make suggestions we will change the IDSF position when they dumped Mr Bain for his words?. Do you still believe I am wrong in becoming increasingly pessimistic
No. 1
I write full of concern and foreboding. Not for myself, though maybe I should be.No, my concern is for my beloved IDSF, which I fear will be greatly damaged by the current path we are on.
I am concerned in three areas about where IDSF is heading:
The breakdown of the principle that IDSF is made up of national member bodies
Role of the IPDSC and its relationship to IDSF
The creation of a permanent state of international war with the WDC
No.2
For the first time ever that I am aware of, we as a Presidium acted contrary to theclearly expressed wish of the members. We declined to give any direction, or establish any policy that would in any way restrict or direct the IPDSC. We allowed the IPDSC to establish World Championships, thereby diminishing our own IDSF World Championships which have been open to professionals for more than five years, and allowed the IPDSC to declare war on our behalf with the WDC .
Far from the IPDSC being subject to the policies and administrative decisions of theIDSF; the IPDSC is driving IDSF policy. I am totally opposed to this. It isdamaging to the IDSF and has weakened our position.
I am also deeply concernedby the involvement of Mr Peter Maxwell in the IPDSC, the conflict between hisIPDSC role and his IDJTA role and the potential for his personal battles with other parts of the DanceSport community to be converted into IDSF battles.
No.3
I believe that this is our current position, to create war with WDC, whether by outright strategy or by default. There is a belief amongst some of my colleagues that we are now so strong that we can simply crush the WDC, and that any cooperation with the WDC is against the best interests of the IDSF.
But I believe that we are actually strengthening the WDC by our belligerence. Many fair minded people who previously were happy to support the positive steps IDSF was taking for the development of DanceSport, are now saying that the IDSF has becomeso arrogant that they will switch their support back to the WDC.
No. 4
I note that the WDC voted overwhelmingly at its 2007 General Meeting to approve the Zurich Memorandum. Of course we voted to approve the Zurich Memorandum in2002 and some of my colleagues say that it is too late for the WDC and that the trainhas already left the station
Can I stress these are the words of someone heavily involved in a member association and once a prominent poart of IDSF and a major architect of their policies.i
More and more I personally am convinced that the solution lies in the hands (or feet) and the hearts and minds of the dancers. They have 2 choices.
1. Refuse to compete anywhere until there is a solution.
2. Compete anywhere and everywhere they choose. If this is led from the top then it will have a most sobering effect. If a dancer in one country is banned or disciplined then all fellow countrymen refuse to compete at home and abroad,
Some have told me that this would damage the IDSF.
Is that important when the dancers win?
Surely their own country association which provides the greatest opportunity for them to compete is more important. Surely the dancers are the ones that count and in fact ARE Dance or Dancesport
We should not have a competition between this and that organisation but a united danceworld for the benefit of all and we are not going to achieve it the way we are heading Positive even drastic action is needed
Incidentally there are some who perceive Mr. Freitag as a problem. Under his leadership the relationships have deteriorated greatly. Under his leadership he made no attempt to distance himself and IDSF from the words of Mr. Galvagno He carried out no disciplinary action against Mr Galvagno. . In the real sports world most certainly a charge of "bringing the game into disrepute" would have been laid
The reality is Mr Galvagno was honoured by the IPDSC thereby that body damaging their reputation and integrity
Some believe Mr Maxwell is a problem. Certainly anyonewho seeks peace and harmony and one body cannot support acts which cause divisions and increase the difficulty in an already bad decision. To make things worse is no way to make them better.
Mr Bain is an Australian. The small number who believe that the Australian dance scene is the Blue Print for success overlook a number of issues. They also scathingly refer to the WDC members in Australia as "a rump". I cannot accept that anyone truly interested in harmony and peace would use such language.
Please can I make a genuine and sincere request.. We move this debate to where it belongs. The topic is about WDC vs IDSF - No contest.
Certainly this is where I will post any further responses from you which do not directly concern the threats being made by the IDSF with regard to the 2008 WDC Am League World Open Amateur Open Championships.
Unfortunately we are now so far from the actual topic and this I believe is a great shame. The topic deals with grave issues and to attempt to divert attention from them does not indicate neutrality rather a fear of facing the reality or deep support for IDSF no matter what they do to prevent one world of dance unless it is THEIR world and under their control.
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