Re: Poor Canada

venerdì 29 febbraio 2008 16.55

Sambatogo I feel that just because I like swimming,  tennis, dancing, sailing and singing  I must belong to every state's  swimming association, tennis association, dancing, sailing association and be a member of an Opera House.

I accept that if I want to compete I must register as a competitor in a given sport, but the registration should be valid for a broad area in that sport and for a specific time,  subject to specific rules -  that is nothing new,  it is quite normal and expected.

You misunderstood,  I am not a "dance sport athlete"  but I am a competitor, I also compete in Irish dances.

I do not mind to pay an entry fee to an organizer,  but I feel that people who register with the state's organization  should be allowed to enter any competition offered by the country. 

One membership should be sufficient.  It keeps the record of members.  You need not two driver licences,  two licence plates for your car. Why would you need dual  registrations for dance ?  Especially if you want to enter and dance in just one event offered in Ontario ? I am not wealthy nor foolish to waste my hard earned moneys.

I agree with you that it would be much nicer if registered members were recognized across the land,  and allowed to dance anywhere they wanted,  but I suppose some restrictions need be in place,  just as there are restrictions where you can park, or drive your car,  and if caught in a restricted parking spot, the car licence is used to trace and contact you and tell you you should not have taken the spot of another registered and recognized 'less fortunate' person.

I also did not find the information you provided. IDSF does not allow their members dance anywhere they want,  and CADA  do not decide themselves as you  wrote.

It appears CADA and OADA  follow  IDSF guidelines,  and that it is IDSF which suggests to their national members that they should not support events which do not seek IDSF/CADA sanctioning.

I think you were mistaken that IDSF allowes their members to dance anywhere they want,  and it would be wonderful if IDSF  eased their restrictions.

  On the other hand ,  while  trying to be completely open minded, I understand  that if  organizations 'not friendly' to IDSF start  openly attract  IDSF members,  start asking IDSF members to brake IDSF rules,  while insisting on additional registrations/membership, ....this could not make IDSF and their national members very happy, resulting in a dicreased support to such 'not friendly'  business competitors,  and  instructions ( in the form of Rules ) to their membership,  all for own protection,   and protection of their existence.

This is not hard to understand.

You also pointed out I should look into WDC.  I find you can enter Blackpool competition,  just send and pay Sandra  the required sum of moneys,  I do not see  any requirement to belong to any special dance organisation.  If  WDC does not require  a registration, something you suggested,  if this is correct (  an it may not )  why would WDC followers,  such as CDDSC require registration,  in fact a dual registration in their country ?

If CDDSC wants to succeed ,  they need to encourage dancers to participate  with as few restrictions  as possible.  They need offer  good quality dance opportunities,  at a reasonable frequency, they need treat all entries with dignity, respect,  and associated organizers cannot hassel, nickel and dime participants, charge for starting numbers,  and drinks   while not providing water free of charge , force participants to use cloke rooms and pay extra for every garment they have under the pretence there is not enough room in change rooms. They should drop the registration requirement for the time being and stop bothering CADA  with hostilities. Perhaps  CADA would soften their approach  and become more CDDSC friendly,  but  that would require CDDSC to become more tolerant and recognize existence of CDF.

Re: Poor Canada

venerdì 29 febbraio 2008 18.13

to little_ sonya

Re: Poor Canada

venerdì 29 febbraio 2008 22.22

Well guys,

It was ommitted in the last posting that USA Dance appears to not have any bans on their website. Unlike Canada which features many, to answer those who asked. Even though it makes no difference to those people that are apparently happy with these types of threats. Gladly, Denmark lead the way for freedom. 

Sambatogo.

Re: Poor Canada

sabato 1 marzo 2008 15.38

I find the title proposed by moderate-man quite inappropriate.

@aspirin

as 'girls'  lets first be more feminine and polite and get our names right:

you probaly meant  Quickstep and not Quickcome ,  and you probably meant Jive 2004  and not Jive2005.

Now,  that we have it right,  and while I agree on some point you made, I would not worry about poster calling others 'guys'.  I do not think this was offensive,  the poor soul is trying to sound chummy,  warm and friendly  and sounding as if corraling supporters. 

@little_Sonya

welcome,  no matter if you visited here before, or not. Little in size,  big in heart, its all good,  and do not let others get to you.

@sambatogo

there are two sides to a story,  unfortunately you  see just one. There is no need to attack anyone for taking side with IDSF, disliking CADA executives,  just as there is no reason to attack you for siding with WDC and supporting CDDSC.

It is that  constant hostility and digging out corpses, and needling one another, tit fot tat,  which prevents IDSF and WDC from talking,  and for CADA and CDDSC  from negotiating.

I wish for calm and peace. I also agree that CDDSC website statements can be interpreted as a thorn aimining at the heart of CADA , their members ,  while, at the same time  CADA has made sure they placed their guards up in form of restrictions.

While digging in old archives, forget not that CADA used to allow their members to take part in CDDSC activities without any restrictions  until  CDDSC has insisted on dual memberships.. and introduced that infamous AmateurRegistry.

Its time for calm and peace.  Lets be nice one to another even here.

Re: Poor Canada

sabato 1 marzo 2008 17.42

Hi Keggs

Whilst I agree with much of what you say, you have to remember that EADA is also a member of the IDSF and sends our amatuer couples to IDSF World and European Championships. This also gives English Amatuers the right to take part in IDSF competitions around the world.

However, this works both ways and also means that EADA members are advised not to take part in any events which are not sanctioned by the IDSF.  Doing so can result in suspension of membership, both of EADA and the IDSF, as was the case with Warren and Kristi when they took part in the unsanctioned IDU World Championship Event.  EADA Members were recently also advised by EADA not to take part in the Dutch Open, a competition which many English competitors have enjoyed attending over the years.  EADA have at this stage, to my knowledge, still not issued any guidance to their members as to whether they will be permitted to take part in WDC Amatuer League events.

What will happen in the future on the English front, I have no idea but for now it seems to me that EADA are to coin a phrase "between the devil and the deep blue sea" - Lol !! On the one hand they have to abide by BDC rules and IDSF on the other. They are to my mind in an unenviable position at the moment and we can only hope that if difficult decisions have to be made in the future that EADA makes those in what they believe will be in the best interests of their members.

What I think I do know though, without any shadow of a doubt is that dancers don't want to have to be worrying about behind the scenes politics, or whether they are in danger of being suspended for dancing in an unsanctioned event, all they want is the freedom to compete where and when they want to.