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Mis-spellings
lunedì 30 settembre 2002 8.19
The website looks pretty good, but it's clear that the information has been gleaned from various different sources, leading to problems such as mis-spelt names and some people who have been registered under more than one spelling of their name.
To maintain an excellent site you will need to make it possible for people to report errors in their names and update the lists accordingly. I'll start the process off by reporting that my partner's surname is spelt incorrectly (as it was on the EADA site originally, but has been altered now). The incorrect spelling "Abigail Sezeto" should be replaced by the correct spelling, "Abigail Szeto".
One final point: Include a contact e-mail address. There will be people who wish to report errors/problems which they really don't want to have on public display. Every website should include a contact e-mail and there's no good reason why not to have one here.
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Mis-spellings
venerdì 11 ottobre 2002 9.59
Name corrected as requested. Our apologies, however we do not have any official source of information.
Regarding different sources - Yes we are trying to get information from wherever we can manage, sometimes it is full, sometimes partial, and sometimes ... completely mistaken.
We would very much welcome any people who would like to provide us any information on the subject
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Mis-spellings
lunedì 20 gennaio 2003 5.50
Hi davesheridan,
You might like to know that some webmasters deliberately mis-spell some couples names, particularly non-UK couples ![Big Smile [:D]](/emoticons/emotion-2.gif) ! That way they know when their content has been 'pinched', even when there are copyright notices all over it! Most webmasters don't mind people copying their content for their own consumption, but copying it and then re-publishing it in a different style/format without any acknowledgement given to it's original author is a bit much, don't you think?
Regards
Kevin
UKDanceSport.info Webmaster
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Mis-spellings
lunedì 20 gennaio 2003 20.52
We are aware of such procedure, however we believe it is not fair as results *are* public domain. However to keep data in database we have to convert different spellings to one (hopefully correct :-))
If we have misspelled anybody - please forgive us! (and let us know!)
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Mis-spellings
mercoledì 22 gennaio 2003 5.58
So it's 'fair' to infringe copyright because results are in the 'public domain'!!! I think you'll find that the law diagrees. If you have any doubt then I suggest you consult a lawyer.
On the basis of your previous post, are you now saying that you are happy to allow anyone visiting this web site to download (in HTML format) any of the results you have in your database, reprocess and republish them on their web site without any acknowledgement to you? No doubt there are several webmasters who await your reply with anticipation.
Kevin
UKDanceSport.info Webmaster
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Mis-spellings
mercoledì 22 gennaio 2003 9.35
The results are very much public domain. Taking the results of other pages is not infringing copyright, as there is no copyright to infringe. Take the analogy of English football. If someone saw the results of a premier league match in The Times, and posted these results on their website, would this be copyright infringement? However, if this same person also copied the format, font, possibly photos if included (and taken by a Times photographer) and logo of The Times, it would be copyright infringement. It is the same with dancesport. The results are public domain to be copied and re-posted at will. The site itself, including, style, fonts, colours, etc. is copyrighted.
One last point on the subject, if the results were copyrighted (which they are not), then they would be copyrighted to the organisers of the comp, and not of website posting it, unless it is the organisers' site.
As to your second point, we have amassed all this information so that there would be a source of competition results, person details and couple details in one place, however also so that this information can be:
organised (We can organise couples can by date of starting, date of finishing, man's name, lady's name, best result),
searched (Our search is also much more flexible than a simple html spider search, as we can make it search by all the categories listed above) and
manipulated (Our couple comparison page for example).
We would therefore be happy for anyone to "download (in HTML format) any of the results we have in your database, reprocess and republish them on their web site without any acknowledgement to us", as we believe that it would be difficult to provide the same level of technology and interaction as we have here. If they did, then there would just be two great sites, and we have no problem with that.
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Mis-spellings
giovedì 23 gennaio 2003 15.13
So you definitely think that the results of competitions are in the public domain? We'll I wonder if Leisure Parcs, Dance News Special Projects and EADA (not to mention the multitude of webmasters of other dancesport web sites you have obtained your data from) would agree with you? Let's just wait and see when I've emailed them all.
May be we should start up a discussion on DancePlaza about this very subject and see what other people think? Judging from the number of postings on this forum it would be a waste of time to have it here?
As someone who develops sofware for a living I would have thought you'd know better. How would you feel if someone reverse engineered, re-badged and sold on a software package you had developed. As you well know it is not difficult to do what you are doing on this web site at all. Once the code is written, it's written, the hard work is in processing and updating the information which forms the content i.e. the case of this web site, the results! If you copy those results from elsewhere (without due credit to the original source) you are avoiding the effort needed, yet claiming the benefit (in terms of visitors to your web site). That, I'm sure in most people's eyes is at least unfair, debateably immoral and probably illegal.
Kevin
UKDanceSport.info Webmaster
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Mis-spellings
giovedì 23 gennaio 2003 16.26
I am more than happy to continue this converation on Danceplaza. Please start a thread there. We obviously differ in our understanding of what is and what is not copyrighted. BTW - we never just copy results from anywhere. We are checking and cross checking between many pages and compile them based on our contributors information (last 10 are always displayed on the default page).
Regarding your remark about how easy is to do database driven application I have already answered on the other topic. Please give me *one* example of other page dedicated to dancing which offers at least some of ours features.
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Re: Mis-spellings
lunedì 19 giugno 2006 16.59
The juvenille couple that came first for both latin and ballroom on 10th June, stars of the future name is incorrect. The girls name is Eboney not Emily! I would be very grateful if this could be corrected. Thank you.
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Re: Mis-spellings
lunedì 19 giugno 2006 21.43
Wooohhh!!! Zbysek
How did this thread get resurrected? This is well and truely 'water under the bridge' so to speak and goes back to the early days of this web site. We are (I hope you will agree) now friends rather than rivals and will hopefully be collaborating very shortly on a number of initiatives I've just started which should hopefully have some influence on how comps are planned, run and reported on in the UK.
Keep up the great work.
Regards
Kevin
Norwest ADA webmaster
http://www.norwestada.org
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